Comments on: RE: Why Only Two? http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/re-why-only-two/ Your daily IT cuppa Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:45:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: gokulnath http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/re-why-only-two/comment-page-1/#comment-6317 gokulnath Mon, 12 May 2008 05:02:59 +0000 http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/?p=411#comment-6317 zenoss doesnt have windows server on a distributed environment as groundwork has. Every product have their pros and cons. How could anyone dismiss groundwork straight away? zenoss doesnt have windows server on a distributed environment as groundwork has. Every product have their pros and cons. How could anyone dismiss groundwork straight away?

]]> By: John Mark http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/re-why-only-two/comment-page-1/#comment-6293 John Mark Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:12:01 +0000 http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/?p=411#comment-6293 [quote comment="6278"]Or we could talk about more important things, like pints in London on May 12th. We'll be here: Brainstorm Mobile Solutions Highgate Studios, Studio 312 53/79 Highgate Road London NW5 1TL if you can join us that evening.[/quote] Pints in London? Arg, I hate you guys! :) -John Mark Hyperic Community Manager

Or we could talk about more important things, like pints in London on May 12th. We’ll be here:

Brainstorm Mobile Solutions
Highgate Studios, Studio 312
53/79 Highgate Road
London NW5 1TL

if you can join us that evening.

Pints in London? Arg, I hate you guys! :)

-John Mark
Hyperic Community Manager

]]> By: People Over Process » links for 2008-04-29 http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/re-why-only-two/comment-page-1/#comment-6286 People Over Process » links for 2008-04-29 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:25:32 +0000 http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/?p=411#comment-6286 [...] RE: Why Only Two? More discussion of OpenNMS vs. (Hyperic|Zenoss|GroundWork). Really, I guess the question is which one do enterprise people want, not which one is /real/ company. Things get too nuanced in the weeds otherwise. (tags: opennms tarus johnwillis itmanagement itmanagementguys hyperic zenoss) [...] [...] RE: Why Only Two? More discussion of OpenNMS vs. (Hyperic|Zenoss|GroundWork). Really, I guess the question is which one do enterprise people want, not which one is /real/ company. Things get too nuanced in the weeds otherwise. (tags: opennms tarus johnwillis itmanagement itmanagementguys hyperic zenoss) [...]

]]> By: David Hustace http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/re-why-only-two/comment-page-1/#comment-6281 David Hustace Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:33:21 +0000 http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/?p=411#comment-6281 Did some one say pints? Perhaps over pints you'll be quite surprised to hear off the record our client list. Cheers! P.S. Tarus saying he got his panties in a wad is not a good visual ;-) Did some one say pints? Perhaps over pints you’ll be quite surprised to hear off the record our client list. Cheers! P.S. Tarus saying he got his panties in a wad is not a good visual ;-)

]]> By: Tarus http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/re-why-only-two/comment-page-1/#comment-6278 Tarus Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:36:32 +0000 http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/?p=411#comment-6278 Or we could talk about more important things, like pints in London on May 12th. We'll be here: Brainstorm Mobile Solutions Highgate Studios, Studio 312 53/79 Highgate Road London NW5 1TL if you can join us that evening. Or we could talk about more important things, like pints in London on May 12th. We’ll be here:

Brainstorm Mobile Solutions
Highgate Studios, Studio 312
53/79 Highgate Road
London NW5 1TL

if you can join us that evening.

]]> By: Jack Hughes http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/re-why-only-two/comment-page-1/#comment-6277 Jack Hughes Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:31:44 +0000 http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/?p=411#comment-6277 @Tarus - I believe that John is flying to Australia so is likely incommunicado. I think you're right...it will be interesting to see where the whole VC thing goes. Both Hyperic & Zenoss will be nearing the 3 yr mark soon so I would imagine that a cash out event must be pretty close. Wonder who's gonna buy 'em? @Tarus – I believe that John is flying to Australia so is likely incommunicado. I think you’re right…it will be interesting to see where the whole VC thing goes. Both Hyperic & Zenoss will be nearing the 3 yr mark soon so I would imagine that a cash out event must be pretty close. Wonder who’s gonna buy ‘em?

]]> By: Tarus http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/re-why-only-two/comment-page-1/#comment-6276 Tarus Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:32:56 +0000 http://www.openxtra.co.uk/blog/?p=411#comment-6276 I responded to this many hours ago, but it doesn't look like John is moderating today. I got my panties in a wad over a couple of his comments. First, while the OpenNMS Project (http://www.opennms.org) is independent, purely open source and community driven, that doesn't mean that the commercial services company, The OpenNMS Group (http://www.opennms.com) isn't a *real* company. We have a board, dedicated developers, etc. We even have people who do sales and marketing. (grin) The difference is that as a services company we do things differently than a software company. Both Zenoss and Hyperic are software companies: i.e. they sell software licenses. Sure, a company US$10 million will be able to produce more than a company with US$1 million, but if the bulk of that development is proprietary and requires "per node" pricing, how is that different from Tivoli and OpenView? John dismissed Groundwork out of hand, but one should realize that they've been at this for many more years than Zenoss and Hyperic, and in fact have raised as much money (about US$24 million) as both of those combined. How will the two companies he favors avoid the same fate as Groundwork? It's not about the money, it's about trying to hold the disparate ideas of commercial software and open source together under the same name. I don't buy it and my guess is that market as a whole won't. It will be interesting to revisit this in a couple of years. I responded to this many hours ago, but it doesn’t look like John is moderating today.

I got my panties in a wad over a couple of his comments. First, while the OpenNMS Project (http://www.opennms.org) is independent, purely open source and community driven, that doesn’t mean that the commercial services company, The OpenNMS Group (http://www.opennms.com) isn’t a *real* company. We have a board, dedicated developers, etc. We even have people who do sales and marketing. (grin)

The difference is that as a services company we do things differently than a software company. Both Zenoss and Hyperic are software companies: i.e. they sell software licenses. Sure, a company US$10 million will be able to produce more than a company with US$1 million, but if the bulk of that development is proprietary and requires “per node” pricing, how is that different from Tivoli and OpenView?

John dismissed Groundwork out of hand, but one should realize that they’ve been at this for many more years than Zenoss and Hyperic, and in fact have raised as much money (about US$24 million) as both of those combined. How will the two companies he favors avoid the same fate as Groundwork?

It’s not about the money, it’s about trying to hold the disparate ideas of commercial software and open source together under the same name. I don’t buy it and my guess is that market as a whole won’t. It will be interesting to revisit this in a couple of years.

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